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Hello Guys
First of all you are misunderstanding me
I ve never said that Germany is better than iran
But I wanted to compare the situation in germany and iran

I would never even think about itl

Hello dear friends
thanks for Eshtiagh & Tavallod for their great discussion.I appreciate it. but dear friends I think that our situation in Iran is not as good as you said
we must not pay attention to Tehran only, and if we explore the conditions of other province and cities we obviously will see what a bad situation we have! just think about it without any preconception
I don't want to pretend that Iran is a bad country but neither I want to mislead myself and others
we are not like developed countries and in some cases we are really in worst conditions(for example the rights of nations other than pertians-Turks,Kurds,Arabs,Baloochs,Lors,..-and rights of religions other than she'a -like sunni muslims and .. and we also have very very much diffrences in wages) that are not undeniable,
there are many bad rules and traditions in our society - sometimes under islam's name!- that are shamefull really.1
but we also have some good things that exclusively are belonged to iran
we love iran and we want it the best country in the world
unfortunately i cant say all of my opinions respect to this topic in english

well
there are some bright points and some realy dark points in discribtion iran
I'l discribe one of those dark points

last summer in ramedan month we were going to my grandfathers house for eftar
we were in the way while the azan was being told
when we arrived to the first crossroads , you can't belive what I saw
It was like that people are drunk
they moved from all 4 ways in the same time and passed the red light
and this way they made a real heavy traffic
all for ways became blocked
when we arrived there the light became green
we waited untill the light became red and then it became green again and in the end we could pass while many
others were still stucked

in iran drivers don't care about laws vary much untill they are forced to !

there is a joke they say about it :
an iranian man crossed the red light
a police officer got him and asked him "didn't you see the red light ? "
the man answered I saw the red light but I didn't see you !

we have great cultral problems like this in iran

We have a great cultural problems, I know

First of all, nobody can deny that Germaney is developed country and we are still developing!

Dear Mosamam!

I don't agree with your following sentences

Let me give an example to see how the condition is in other countries!
About one ago, I required to transfer some money to the Netherlands. When I go to money exchanger the cashier told me that you can't write your name on the bank recipt!!!!! and you know what was the reason?! Because my name is Hadi!!!!!!! an arabic name. is this according the rights of humans!!!!

and some countries don't allow girls to attend classes with scarf! Iran's parleman has seats for other religions. what about Germaney?!

I compeletly agree that Germany is more developed than Iran, but they don't follow the rights of humanity and etc as well as us

Hadi you made me remember a poem from molavi
(excuse me for writing in persian but if I translate it it would loose part of it's beauty )

هیچ کنجی بی دَد و بی دام نیست
جز به خلوتگاه حق آرام نیست

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Whaaaaat?????l

I dont agree with you
actually you are not really free to choose your religion
some of religions are ilegal and you can get in big trouble if you are a member of them

Germany should be neutral country by religion questions
in Germany you are free to have any religion you want
but there is a role
it says that in schools there are no religios symbols allowed
so the teachers are not allowed to wear any symbols like a cross and scrafs
but on the street you can wear anythink you want

your religion should be 100% unimportant
you can seat on the intersection and call the police man as your new god ,it is NOT IMPORTANT( as long as you dont harm anybody)l

I agree with tavallod
I think this is where we most continue (or restart) this discussion
http://www.ktark.com/thread-398-page-116.html

Nooooooooooo
come on
let it be in English

Allright
we will do it
Tobe can you plz present your proposal??????l

I could not really understand what it was about
but I think it would be interesting

well I thought it is an interesting and important dicussion and I wanted others who can't or don' want to write in english participate in this discussion .

why ?????
we can also discuss it here in english it would be very good 4 us
so come on present it to usll

I compeletly disagree!
But thats enough!

Religions that have a holy book has freedom and seats in our parleman

As I told you before, Germany is better than Iran but they don't follow the rules of humanity as well!

Lets change the topic